tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.comments2011-05-09T21:45:57.942-04:00The clanOtto Soapboxkeohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-7316686702372832142011-05-09T21:45:57.942-04:002011-05-09T21:45:57.942-04:00Nicely put.
Mmmmm.... Superlapsarianism....Nicely put. <br /><br />Mmmmm.... Superlapsarianism....keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-71708195034712232852011-05-09T01:35:21.585-04:002011-05-09T01:35:21.585-04:00No no, God won't like you unless you have the ...No no, God won't like you unless you have the exactly right set of beliefs--which just happen to coincide with my own set of beliefs. Would you like to see my impressive list of internet links which summarize my position on superlapsarianism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-21620815032716828972011-02-11T10:14:08.453-05:002011-02-11T10:14:08.453-05:00The postmodern boogeyman is already dead. Let him ...The postmodern boogeyman is already dead. Let him not take you to death. As you sing the hymn of deconstruction and revisionist Christainity.Mr. Mcgranorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12851136550476241757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-3774542172633629262010-10-07T14:14:21.286-04:002010-10-07T14:14:21.286-04:00Dave,
Did I mention that I was called a gnostic la...Dave,<br />Did I mention that I was called a gnostic last week? I thought I was looking at two weeks in a row of people leaping to conclusions about me! Knowing it was you puts a different spin on things, of course....keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-31543018642521521422010-10-07T07:04:45.756-04:002010-10-07T07:04:45.756-04:00That last comment was from me (about the heretic b...That last comment was from me (about the heretic being either you or the tract writer). I meant to follow it up with another comment to tell ya but I hot interrupted. I thought I'd try to sound as pious and judgmental as possible. <br /><br />Your Canadian friend,<br />DaveDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-3191676544433396592010-10-05T17:18:09.037-04:002010-10-05T17:18:09.037-04:00Answer this question, "Which denomination pub...Answer this question, "Which denomination published the tract?". Then I'll tell you if the heretic is the tract or you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-5982953149042490682010-07-14T12:52:40.001-04:002010-07-14T12:52:40.001-04:00Hi Cb,
Perhaps, perhaps. I have certainly apprecia...Hi Cb,<br />Perhaps, perhaps. I have certainly appreciated your influence in my life over the years. I thought the desert island part was a nice touch!keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-34300287815891897832010-07-14T11:03:02.143-04:002010-07-14T11:03:02.143-04:00I wonder if I was the roommate. That is an old jok...I wonder if I was the roommate. That is an old joke usually told about a Jewish man. There is a Jewish "tradition" that there is always one synagogue in town where you would simply would never set foot it....Targumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08226685819553164313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-69359507801181995702010-04-26T22:41:34.717-04:002010-04-26T22:41:34.717-04:00Hi Matthew,
Well, I said that Jesus does mention ...Hi Matthew,<br /><br />Well, I said that Jesus does mention hell -- or at least that our Greek language NT puts a couple different Greek words in Jesus' mouth when telling us in translation what he ostensibly said not in Greek but in his own native language. So, in that regard you aren't engaging my point.<br /><br />Technically, only two of your three verses contain Jesus' words -- which was the point of the post; the third is John the Revelator speaking. Interestingly, however, none of your three proof texts actually has a word translated "hell." Unless you think all references to fire are actually code words for hell? Matthew 3:10? The next verse, Matthew 3:11?!<br /><br />Finally, of the two Jesus quotes you have chosen to argue for eternal hell, at least the first (Matthew 13:42) makes no mention and provides no context for us to infer an eternal hell. The second says that the fire is eternal, but not necessarily the punishment for the "nations," and nations doesn't necessarily mean individual humans.<br /><br />If that's the best we can do in arguing for Jesus' doctrine of hell, then I think my point still has merit: we have a lot of beliefs about hell, and we have a smorgasbord of verses to "back up" these beliefs, but Jesus' actual, contextualized messages develop no broad theme of warning about eternal torment in hell, though the gospels contain many sermons and teachings that he gave to crowds of those who we (the same we) would assume were heading for hell.<br /><br />Don't you find that even a little curious? Some of our churches preach about hell in every presentation of the gospel, but Jesus' actual messages did not.<br /><br />As for heresy, well, I plan to present a little church history at some point.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-11234847636680506202010-04-26T21:11:00.933-04:002010-04-26T21:11:00.933-04:00Hell does indeed exist - to believe otherwise is h...Hell does indeed exist - to believe otherwise is heretical.<br /><br />Jesus made numerous mentions about hell....eternal hell. <br /><br />Matthew 13:42 - <br />" They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." <br /><br /><br />Matthew 25:41 - <br />"Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."<br /><br /><br />Revelation 20:15 - <br />"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"Matthew Johnstonhttp://www.narrowseventhirteen.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-79568800270219526392010-04-20T15:55:21.146-04:002010-04-20T15:55:21.146-04:00Thanks for your comments, Rick.
I agree with your...Thanks for your comments, Rick.<br /><br />I agree with your point about inspiration of the autographs. I'm not convinced, however, that the manuscript witnesses we have are all adulterated when it comes to the question of whether Jesus ever said anything about Hell.<br /><br />There are other hypotheses that do not necessarily require us to throw out specific verses. He could have been using their own assumptions to make his point or to point out other errors they were making; he could have been using some idiomatic use of "hell;" etc.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-43980109907673614242010-04-19T14:27:43.728-04:002010-04-19T14:27:43.728-04:00You've made a number of many excellent points ...You've made a number of many excellent points to show that Jesus did not warn about Hell...and for a very good reason: he didn't believe it exists!<br /><br />On the contrary, Jesus' teachings about God, assuming he was correct, make Hell impossible!<br /><br />I've actually written an entire book on this topic--Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There's No Such Place As Hell, (for anyone interested, you can get a free ecopy of Did Jesus Believe in Hell?, one of the most compelling chapters in my book at www.thereisnohell.com), but if I may, let me share one of the many points I make in it to explain why.<br /><br />If one is willing to look, there's substantial evidence contained in the gospels to show that Jesus opposed the idea of Hell. For example, in Luke 9:51-56, is a story about his great disappointment with his disciples when they actually suggested imploring God to rain FIRE on a village just because they had rejected him. His response: "You don't know what spirit is inspiring this kind of talk!" Presumably, it was NOT the Holy Spirit. He went on, trying to explain how he had come to save, heal and relieve suffering, not be the CAUSE of it.<br /><br />So it only stands to reason that this same Jesus, who was appalled at the very idea of burning a few people, for a few horrific minutes until they were dead, could never, ever burn BILLIONS of people for an ETERNITY!<br /><br />True, there are a few statements that made their way into the copies of copies of copies of the gospel texts which place “Hell” on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.<br /><br />Bear in mind that the historical Protestant doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures applies only to the original autographs, not the copies. But sadly, the interpolations that made their way into those copies have provided a convenient excuse for a lot of people to get around following Jesus’ real message.Rick Lannoyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15771612313060169125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-42485779295782267342010-02-08T17:14:51.131-05:002010-02-08T17:14:51.131-05:00So he is naked, and presumably, as a holy man, he ...So he is naked, and presumably, as a holy man, he prays. Maybe he had to throw some britches on for the cover shoot?D.W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-8484829989958825162010-02-08T09:55:25.001-05:002010-02-08T09:55:25.001-05:00Good question, D (or whatever your real name just ...Good question, D (or whatever your real name just might be, my anonymous, 77's lovin' friend). However, this guy is a "naked Hindu holy man," in contrast to the partially-clothed guys on that album cover.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-33889123095855751072010-02-07T23:50:05.555-05:002010-02-07T23:50:05.555-05:00Is that one of the guys from the cover of Pray Nak...Is that one of the guys from the cover of Pray Naked?D.W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-24684399607679741332010-02-04T09:38:07.684-05:002010-02-04T09:38:07.684-05:00Well, all the unanswered questions!
Are they inev...Well, all the unanswered questions!<br /><br />Are they inevitably stunted in their spiritual growth, compared to those who have the complete Bible? Weaker brothers and sisters, to be pitied, perhaps?<br /><br /><br />And those without any Bible? That these unfortunates are doomed to misinterpretation and misunderstanding on "all matters of faith and practice"? <br /><br />And what would this mean about God—if he has allowed all of us to wander in such imperfect light?<br /><br />Recovering AlumniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-74206725960443005452010-02-03T16:36:45.909-05:002010-02-03T16:36:45.909-05:00Glad to hear it. What intrigues you?
My latest po...Glad to hear it. What intrigues you?<br /><br /><a href="http://clanottosoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/01/is-my-bible-scripture.html" rel="nofollow">My latest post</a> is relevant, but I'm not done with this topic. Not even close....keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-63419591896655587592010-02-03T16:25:44.239-05:002010-02-03T16:25:44.239-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-47440909575584401542010-02-03T16:15:41.418-05:002010-02-03T16:15:41.418-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-5774787768928529122010-02-03T11:03:14.069-05:002010-02-03T11:03:14.069-05:00Did I miss where you did the follow up for this po...Did I miss where you did the follow up for this post? I am very intrigued.Recovering Alumnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08118927101030203407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-5137958149778189002010-02-01T16:29:01.571-05:002010-02-01T16:29:01.571-05:00It fits perfectly in the boat. Regardless of how m...It fits perfectly in the boat. Regardless of how much we understand and regardless of our convictions, opinions, and preferences, we maintain the bonds of peace and love as we pursue truth together.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-63434778075280239872010-02-01T11:23:15.537-05:002010-02-01T11:23:15.537-05:00My comment is that you make us think beyond the no...My comment is that you make us think beyond the normal thinkings of our lazy western cultural norms! Brain hurts, but in a good way. So how does this all fit in the boat??franklins7https://www.blogger.com/profile/18419746461950144552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-90803642459029873692010-02-01T11:19:27.235-05:002010-02-01T11:19:27.235-05:00Love it, love it. Want one! Needs more color, ma...Love it, love it. Want one! Needs more color, maybe Victoria can work on it a bit!!franklins7https://www.blogger.com/profile/18419746461950144552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-33164457495602809052009-10-08T15:57:42.669-04:002009-10-08T15:57:42.669-04:00Obedience and submission. I like it. Power through...Obedience and submission. I like it. Power through weakness. Die to live, even. Sounds familiar.... <br /><br />Of course, that doesn't sell well -- certainly not in America. If only Jesus had better marketing.keohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504385481060936766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4842475186056645308.post-44401215482895560652009-09-24T09:39:00.835-04:002009-09-24T09:39:00.835-04:00So, perhaps the key is obedience??? It is not or ...So, perhaps the key is obedience??? It is not or wielding of the sword or our amazing words, but our obedience to His will, isn't that where Jesus "succeeded" if you will. He only did what He saw the Father doing. Power comes through obedience and submission, not knowing the right combination of words and phrases.franklins7https://www.blogger.com/profile/18419746461950144552noreply@blogger.com